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you have the benghazi report this morning. you've got the talk about the fiscal cliff, which underneath it suggests that government should do more with less, and the state department to some extent is a manifestation of that. it's actually an incredibly well managed bureaucracy. however, over the years it has been systematically underfunded. when a defense budget goes to the hill, congress -- members of congress go what can we add to it? when the foreign relations budget goes to the hill, the reaction is what can we subtract from it because it's not the same political constituency. >> i want to bring in our panel here. you know, josh, we -- there's been so much back -- there's so much politicizing over everything from, you know, the fast and the furious, attorney general eric holder, the benghazi events that were certainly tragedy iic, the loss of life, the loss of the u.s. ambassador. it has been so embroiled in politics and you add a clinton to the mix, and it gets even more political, and i will call your attention to charl
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i know the senate is the confirming body, not you, but does this end the controversy over benghazi, or does that continue and need to be investigated? that, the panel having spoken, and hillary clinton having promised to follow-up. sfoo no, there's still a long ways to go to get to the bottom of benghazi, and making sure it never ever happens again. i'm sure that senator kerry will be easily confirmed from the senate. i think he is a good and decent person. i probably disagree with him on most every issue, but many terms of being a good person, i'm sure he will be confirmed, but we have as to go on benghazi. >> your committees have said you want to hear from hillary clinton? >> absolutely. she was the person in charge. we have four dead americans. we have -- think about it. in a 60-day period a group said there are more than two dozen systemic failures. they offered 60 recommendations. what in the world has been going on over there to have so many problems? >> let's talk about gun control because the national rifle association has responded, and basically said let's stop the bad guys w
i know the senate is the confirming body, not you, but does this end the controversy over benghazi, or does that continue and need to be investigated? that, the panel having spoken, and hillary clinton having promised to follow-up. sfoo no, there's still a long ways to go to get to the bottom of benghazi, and making sure it never ever happens again. i'm sure that senator kerry will be easily confirmed from the senate. i think he is a good and decent person. i probably disagree with him on most...
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embassy in benghazi, libya. that attack killed u.s. ambassador chris stevens and three other americans and at the very start of that hearing john kerry came to the defense of secretary of state hillary clinton under fire from someone on the right for not testifying today due to illness. >> secretary clinton is recovering from a serious virus and concussion and given her condition it was simply not possible for her to appear here today. i assure you it is not her choice that she is not here today and she looks forward to appearing before the committee in january. >> the co-chair of that committee senator bob corker indicated he still wants to hear from secretary clinton herself. >> i think it's imperative that she come before this committee and i think it would be a shame to turn the page on this and go to a new regime without her being here and i do look forward to that happening when her health permits. >> mark, it's good to have you here. senator corker calling for clinton's testimony, meanwhile, the fallout from benghazi and the att
embassy in benghazi, libya. that attack killed u.s. ambassador chris stevens and three other americans and at the very start of that hearing john kerry came to the defense of secretary of state hillary clinton under fire from someone on the right for not testifying today due to illness. >> secretary clinton is recovering from a serious virus and concussion and given her condition it was simply not possible for her to appear here today. i assure you it is not her choice that she is not...
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on benghazi, the hearings will be held tomorrow. i think that certainly on the senate side they will be polite. two top officials, the two top deputies are going to be testifying. but this has been a devastating report there is no way to sugarcoat it. it basically said there is systemic fault in the state department. and it goes all the way back at least until 1998, that the improvements that had been ordered in 1998 after the embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania have not been done. and that there are security failures at high-threat posts all over the world. >> andrea, i think about the relationship of the state department to the other giant in the american government in terms of our relations and our outposts around the world. and that of course is the defense department. anybody close to the missions of those two departments talks about how much the state department is dwarfed by the pentagon in budget and in what they're consequently able to do. is this the sort of thing where the state department just isn't capable, hasn't be
on benghazi, the hearings will be held tomorrow. i think that certainly on the senate side they will be polite. two top officials, the two top deputies are going to be testifying. but this has been a devastating report there is no way to sugarcoat it. it basically said there is systemic fault in the state department. and it goes all the way back at least until 1998, that the improvements that had been ordered in 1998 after the embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania have not been done. and that...
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she did not have line of authority for security for our consulate in benghazi. that wasn't her job as ambassador. i thought giving her the outs, as i just said, and giving her her very good service in the obama administration, i really thought that she was qualified for this. >> governor o'maley, this, as the governor said, wasn't even in her portfolio. president obama said today in a statement while i deeply regret the unfair and misleading attacks on susan rice in recent weeks, her decision demonstrates the strength of a character and an admirable commitmented to rise above the politics of the moment. now, you and i certainly may admire what she's done and say that it is certainlyly that it is certainlyl showing a stateswoman-like quality. but it's certainly doing an unfairness to her and may never address it to those who never had it in her purview and correct it if they felt it needed correcting. >> well, i think, sadly, ambassador rice was a target of opportunity for a party that tends to spend a lot more time and a lot more energy on obstruction. so i thin
she did not have line of authority for security for our consulate in benghazi. that wasn't her job as ambassador. i thought giving her the outs, as i just said, and giving her her very good service in the obama administration, i really thought that she was qualified for this. >> governor o'maley, this, as the governor said, wasn't even in her portfolio. president obama said today in a statement while i deeply regret the unfair and misleading attacks on susan rice in recent weeks, her...
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the aftermath of the september 11th attack in benghazi. in the letter ambassador rice also expresses her gratitude for the president's confidence and support and assures that she will remain as ambassador at the unions. let's get to our panel. with me in new york is jonathan alter, who is with bloomberg view, and professor michael eric die sorn ayson and ari melber w nation." >> i think this is the sad resolution of what amounted to a right wing witch hunt against ambassador susan rice. i think, first of all, wrongly laying responsibility for the fiasco at her feet. secondly, when facts subsequently came out to suggest that she was marrily repeated what she had been told in terms of intelligence, they were still unrelenting, and then thirdly what this does is displace a highly qualified person for secretary of state from the obama administration who happens to be a person of color and a woman. a rhodes scholar, a doctoral recipient from oxford university, an extraordinary broad career at the state department so to speak in terms of foreign
the aftermath of the september 11th attack in benghazi. in the letter ambassador rice also expresses her gratitude for the president's confidence and support and assures that she will remain as ambassador at the unions. let's get to our panel. with me in new york is jonathan alter, who is with bloomberg view, and professor michael eric die sorn ayson and ari melber w nation." >> i think this is the sad resolution of what amounted to a right wing witch hunt against ambassador susan...
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plus, the fact that this would open a whole benghazi investigation. >> as you know, andrea, there is a commission that's reporting soon to the secretary of state on benghazi, but, as you know, once a nominee is named, you basically go into a very silent period, so if either ambassador rice or senator kerry were nominated, they would have to go into a very quiet period, and until the actual hearing took place, which probably wouldn't take place in january anyway, there would be no comment, no visibility by either one of them. i don't think that's so much of an issue because neither one of them would be out there doing some defense of themselves or some arguments against them. it would allow the chattering class to let loose once either one of them is nominated with the pluses and minuses of either one of them, but as far as their own individual involvement, they wouldn't be able to be visible to the actual hearing anyways. >> and speaking of the secretary of state who you say would be willing to stay on until a successor is confirmed, hillary clinton, now, a week ago, there was an ext
plus, the fact that this would open a whole benghazi investigation. >> as you know, andrea, there is a commission that's reporting soon to the secretary of state on benghazi, but, as you know, once a nominee is named, you basically go into a very silent period, so if either ambassador rice or senator kerry were nominated, they would have to go into a very quiet period, and until the actual hearing took place, which probably wouldn't take place in january anyway, there would be no comment,...
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consulate in benghazi. if you want to sound smart today, tell your friends that at 48 years old, susan rice would have been the youngest woman ever to become secretary of state had she been confirmed. condoleezza rice was 50 when she was nominated by george w. bush back in 2004. enough for the real news. let's gather around that water cooler to watch politics ukrainian style. the newly elected ukrainian parliament had their first session yesterday. shortly into the day, this erupted. on the floor, a mass fist fight between the ruling party and opposition. the two sides were arguing over voting rules when opposition members stormed the podium, punching, grabbing, bite, choke holes and body slams. and full nelsons? also there, but not seen in the pictures, boxing heavyweight and gre great, klitschko. when asked why he wasn't getting involved, klitschko simply said, quote, i understand many people want klitschko to launch an offensive but i would like to remine them the fists a world champion are considered nu
consulate in benghazi. if you want to sound smart today, tell your friends that at 48 years old, susan rice would have been the youngest woman ever to become secretary of state had she been confirmed. condoleezza rice was 50 when she was nominated by george w. bush back in 2004. enough for the real news. let's gather around that water cooler to watch politics ukrainian style. the newly elected ukrainian parliament had their first session yesterday. shortly into the day, this erupted. on the...
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then after he got out of that one he starts talking about benghazi and all this other stuff and lost that one argument. could he have won if he said, i'm the guy you need for this job. >> part, you need to go back and show why the policies were going to work. for example, if you take a look at 2003 bush tax cuts, by 2007, $800 billion more revenue had come in and the deficit was cut from $370 billion to $260 billion. did you hear him say that? that's what he needed to do, full-throated defense of republican policies that bush implemented but also he could have used to show why his policies would work. ultimately when you make it a referendum, you take the arguments off the table. >> do you buy that he should have defended all the republican policies of bush and his own? >> no, because those policies got us in trouble in 2008 in a great many ways. bush inherited a surplus and left with a massive deficit. didn't monitor the financial system and so on. the most important point is david's right about, which is there's no such thing as a presidential referendum election. i've covered ten
then after he got out of that one he starts talking about benghazi and all this other stuff and lost that one argument. could he have won if he said, i'm the guy you need for this job. >> part, you need to go back and show why the policies were going to work. for example, if you take a look at 2003 bush tax cuts, by 2007, $800 billion more revenue had come in and the deficit was cut from $370 billion to $260 billion. did you hear him say that? that's what he needed to do, full-throated...
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i just want to -- >> talk radio is just full of benghazi. it is a big issue. >> which is amazing to me. in 1982, we lost 241 marines in lebanon and the country came around president reagan, you didn't see all of this partisan bickering -- >> wait. wait a minute. >> -- we came together and said that this is a national tragedy and blame was not parcelled out the way it is now. i think it's unfortunate. >> you look at 1982, there actually an airing. there was accountability. part of the problem here, in the lead-up to the election when benghazi got a lot of attention, the president said don't talk about benghazi, if you were you're politicizing the issue. here we are after the election, and there's no full airing. we still don't know exactly what happened. >> hold on. wait a second. that may be true, but is it really what happened on a sunday show? what was the security situation at the mission in benghazi? but that's not her job. >> true. what happened in benghazi. there's an investigation going on from two high-level people. we'll get the rep
i just want to -- >> talk radio is just full of benghazi. it is a big issue. >> which is amazing to me. in 1982, we lost 241 marines in lebanon and the country came around president reagan, you didn't see all of this partisan bickering -- >> wait. wait a minute. >> -- we came together and said that this is a national tragedy and blame was not parcelled out the way it is now. i think it's unfortunate. >> you look at 1982, there actually an airing. there was...
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that was in response to the benghazi report. jamaal simmons, secretary clinton has been teflon, if you will, susan rice attracted all of the criticism in the early days and yet this report puts it right at the doorstep of the state department and she runs the state department. >> before the election, she came out and said i accept responsibility. and the recommendations came out, she said i will accept all the recommendations from the report. i think she's trying to do her best to own this as from a responsibility perspective. she's a popular person. people think she's done a good job at her job. >> certainly was a -- she was supposed to testify tomorrow. we know due to illness, she can't. deputies will testify in her place. she may testify in january. some say she better testify before john kerry's confirmed. >> it is the illness that launched a thousand conspiracy series, quite skeptical. but the incentives changed for republicans. during the campaign, they preferred to pin this on obama herself. hillary is a popular figure. t
that was in response to the benghazi report. jamaal simmons, secretary clinton has been teflon, if you will, susan rice attracted all of the criticism in the early days and yet this report puts it right at the doorstep of the state department and she runs the state department. >> before the election, she came out and said i accept responsibility. and the recommendations came out, she said i will accept all the recommendations from the report. i think she's trying to do her best to own...
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was it the fact your side couldn't push the benghazi issue? what changed the last weekend toward obama? >> certainly, i think sandy changed things. it let the president be president. i think that helped. >> it changed the subject from benghazi. >> i would also say this race was more of a referendum in some way on mitt romney than it was the president, and that's unusual -- >> does your side -- i know you're a true believer, and i respect that. do you think -- i mean it. do you think they didn't really believe he believed? >> no, i don't think that was the problem. i think the bigger problem was two things. they never personally connected with him. they never felt this attachment, and they didn't see him as -- >> personal. >> second of all, i think we failed middle income blue collar voters who feel we no longer understand their life, no longer are fighting daily for them, and they think what we're about are just the social issues and fighting for tax breaks for the wealthy. that's not what we're about, but we sure let that perception happen. >
was it the fact your side couldn't push the benghazi issue? what changed the last weekend toward obama? >> certainly, i think sandy changed things. it let the president be president. i think that helped. >> it changed the subject from benghazi. >> i would also say this race was more of a referendum in some way on mitt romney than it was the president, and that's unusual -- >> does your side -- i know you're a true believer, and i respect that. do you think -- i mean it....
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and a report on the attack in benghazi has been sent to congress ahead of hearings later on this week. now back to "hardball." >>> welcome back to "hardball." has the political power of the nra peaked in the wake of the newtown shootings or are they just laying low waiting for the storm to pass. since friday they've been absent from the discussion on guns. today they released a statement saying they've been quiet, quote, as a matter of common decency, but they are planning -- in fact, they have a press conference set for friday. according to "the new york times," it has an established precedent for responding, quote, over the years the nra has perfected its strategy for responding to mass shootings. lie low at first, then slow roll any legislative push for a response. has something fundamental shifted in the guns debate however since friday or will it be business as usual with the nra calling the shots? in a moment mayor michael nutter of philadelphia will be with us. he's the head of the united states conference of mayors, and mark glaze is executive director of mayors against illega
and a report on the attack in benghazi has been sent to congress ahead of hearings later on this week. now back to "hardball." >>> welcome back to "hardball." has the political power of the nra peaked in the wake of the newtown shootings or are they just laying low waiting for the storm to pass. since friday they've been absent from the discussion on guns. today they released a statement saying they've been quiet, quote, as a matter of common decency, but they are...
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she probably had the least to do with the attack on benghazi. why she was targeted individually for the kind of attacks that she was subjected to is -- it was puzzling to me. >> the process also seems to be playing out with one of obama's top picks to lead the pentagon. the president was quick to praise republican former nebraska senator chuck hagel, but was just as quick to say he hadn't made up his mind. >> i haven't made a decision about who to nominate. >> anything disqualify him? >> not that i see. i have serbed with chuck hagel. he know him. is he somebody who served this country is w veil valor. >> he ran into stubborn resistance over the weekend from senate republicans like lynndie graham and tomko burn. >> there would be little republican support. there will be very few votes at the end of the day. >> i cannot vote for chuck hagel. >> why? >> simply because of the positions that he has taken and some of the statements that he has taken. >> meanwhile, epa administer lisa jackson's decision to step down also has many doubting whether the
she probably had the least to do with the attack on benghazi. why she was targeted individually for the kind of attacks that she was subjected to is -- it was puzzling to me. >> the process also seems to be playing out with one of obama's top picks to lead the pentagon. the president was quick to praise republican former nebraska senator chuck hagel, but was just as quick to say he hadn't made up his mind. >> i haven't made a decision about who to nominate. >> anything...
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mission in benghazi and elsewhere at high-threat places around the world. this, of course, the attack on 9/11 that killed chris stevens and three other americans. bob corker serves on the senate foreign relations committee and heard testimony during the closed session with the committee today. there will be open sessions tomorrow. they just briefed at the state department, in fact, that's still in progress. senator, one of the conclusions is that security was -- that there were security failures there, before, during, and after, but particularly before and during, that they were relying on the local militia, which was completely grossly inadequate, the reports said. what are your conclusions following the briefing that you received from the top leaders? >> well, i had seen films, andrea, last week of both the security cameras, but also later from drones. it was later in the evening, but the security personnel we had out front literally jumped on a truck and left as soon as they saw a crowd coming, so -- >> you're talking about the libyans, not the americans
mission in benghazi and elsewhere at high-threat places around the world. this, of course, the attack on 9/11 that killed chris stevens and three other americans. bob corker serves on the senate foreign relations committee and heard testimony during the closed session with the committee today. there will be open sessions tomorrow. they just briefed at the state department, in fact, that's still in progress. senator, one of the conclusions is that security was -- that there were security...
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he was quick to point out congress should take some blame for what happened in benghazi. >> i want to be krystal clear about something else. congress, also, bears some responsibility here. congress has the power of the purse. adequately funding america's foreign policy objectives is not spending. it's investing. >> this morning's hearing marked by sharp questioning by republican senators. >> secretary clinton just sent up a notification to congress asking for $1.3 billion. why did she never ask for any notification or change of resources to make sure benghazi was secured? >> we are in a situation where the middle east is evolving. democracies are growing. militaries are forming and we must look at each and every one of those sites and every one of our posts and reexamine it under a new normal. >> you were aware of the security risk there. we have read the cables. you were fully aware. and either you sent people there with security or you don't send them there. >> and a hearing by the house foreign affairs committee started an hour ago. nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donne
he was quick to point out congress should take some blame for what happened in benghazi. >> i want to be krystal clear about something else. congress, also, bears some responsibility here. congress has the power of the purse. adequately funding america's foreign policy objectives is not spending. it's investing. >> this morning's hearing marked by sharp questioning by republican senators. >> secretary clinton just sent up a notification to congress asking for $1.3 billion. why...
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it wasn't just about benghazi she was not looked at to be the next best secretary of state. it's a moderate senator. senator collins saying i'm not for this. several reasons. president obama lost his first political gamble of a second term. then they are magnifying it, making a big announcement. she is doing exclusive interview tonight with nbc. she was never officially nominated for anything. you can't withdrawal your name from consideration. we could do that all day long. get maybe good press. >> eric: he never in any -- >> bob: he never in any way, shape or form hinted she would be the secretary of state nominee. >> dana: yes, he -- >> bob: no, he defended her. but i never heard him say anything about secretary of state. >> andrea: do you want to use this opportunity maybe to withdrawal consideration of your candidacy for sexiest man alive >> bob: i can't do that. nobody else could take my place. [ laughter ] >> eric: the timing of this, ambassador rice, maybe as you point out susan collins, john hd said i'm going to give her a break. see what she has to say. mccain, lind
it wasn't just about benghazi she was not looked at to be the next best secretary of state. it's a moderate senator. senator collins saying i'm not for this. several reasons. president obama lost his first political gamble of a second term. then they are magnifying it, making a big announcement. she is doing exclusive interview tonight with nbc. she was never officially nominated for anything. you can't withdrawal your name from consideration. we could do that all day long. get maybe good...
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this as both the house and the senate are taking up the benghazi report. nick, this report was pretty devastating for the state department. you've quickly pointed out that congress also has a role in properly funding their security at these outposts. >> well, it was a very hard-hitting report. there are a lot of lessons here that the state department is going to have to think about. rework some of the procedures and rededicate themselves to this mission of our embassies and consulates overseas. there's nothing more important. i think secretary clinton was right to send the letter this week to the congress she would accept all the recommendations and begin to implement them and i believe that she will do that and her team will do that, as well, but there is on the side of this, andrea, the fact is the state department budget as a percentage of the federal budget is quite small, it is not fully funded for the last few years and the security request, that's the request for funds to protect the diplomats, to solidify the infrastructure of the embassies to supp
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clinton had been scheduled to testify about benghazi this week, but deputies will testify in her place. enter john bolten, former u.n. ambassador under george w. bush. he's not convinced of clinton's illness. >> you know, every foreign service officer in every foreign ministry in the world knows the phrase i'm about to use. when you don't want to go to a meeting or a conference or an event, you have a diplomatic illness. and this is a diplomatic illness to beat the band. >> victoria nuland responded saying bolton doesn't know what he's talking about. in bolton's case that's all a reasonable, safe assumption. >>> up next, is the horror of newtown marking the beginning of the end of the nra's dominance over the issue of gun control in this country? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> welcome back to "hardball." has the political power of the nra peaked in the wake of the newtown shootings or are they just laying low waiting for the storm to pass. since friday they've been absent from the discussion on guns. today they released a statement saying they've been quiet, qu
clinton had been scheduled to testify about benghazi this week, but deputies will testify in her place. enter john bolten, former u.n. ambassador under george w. bush. he's not convinced of clinton's illness. >> you know, every foreign service officer in every foreign ministry in the world knows the phrase i'm about to use. when you don't want to go to a meeting or a conference or an event, you have a diplomatic illness. and this is a diplomatic illness to beat the band. >> victoria...
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, so what are the lessons from benghazi and how high should the focus go. mike o'hanlon and pete j. crowley. the same question as experts in this field. is this the kind of thing that happens when we have nervy, courageous diplomats who are willing to go into dangerous areas and it just happens? that occasionally the enemy erupts up out of nowhere, you can't predict the next turbulent storm to hit in these areas of the third world, especially in post-revolutionary libya. and it's not really anybody's fault unless everything that happens bad is somebody's fault. >> it's an important question. >> which is it? >> i have a nuanced answer. this was clearly not the state department's finest hour and it's easy to say in retrospect. also, i will make an analogy with military commanders in the field who often make decisions that could be second-guessed and sometimes wind up getting people killed unnecessarily, but you don't assess a battlefield commander's entire tenure on one call. this was not the best decision that could have been made, and we need to accept a ce
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mission in benghazi, libya. president obama and house speaker john boehner are meeting at this hour at the white house to talk about the impending fiscal cliff. the two sides have reported it will patrol gress so far. so what now? that satellite launched earlier in week by north korea, may or may not be working properly. u.s. officials indicate the spacecraft is tumbling. but not likely to crash in to the earth. there are questions about whether the national labor relations board has gone from impartial rulings to a pro-union bias. we look at the agency. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 eastern. now have back to fork and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back to "the five." barbara walters revealed her most fascinating person picked last night. we'll tell you our thoughts in a moment. but first, the list inspired me along with "time" magazine upcoming person of the year naming to hit the streets to ask americans who they think deserves the title. who do you think should be
mission in benghazi, libya. president obama and house speaker john boehner are meeting at this hour at the white house to talk about the impending fiscal cliff. the two sides have reported it will patrol gress so far. so what now? that satellite launched earlier in week by north korea, may or may not be working properly. u.s. officials indicate the spacecraft is tumbling. but not likely to crash in to the earth. there are questions about whether the national labor relations board has gone from...
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you don't need to expend all this political capital on what is going to be an interminutable benghazi investigation. john mccain signaling he wants to go on the foreign relations committee, he was going to lead the way. >> let's get this from chuck as well. do you think that clinton, secretary clinton or former president clinton, they have done this i know in private, said what they thought about this, they were for kerry. did they ever express that for lobby for kerry or against rice in this case do you know? >> it's my understanding they didn't. i think that hillary clinton understood where the president's loyalties lie, that he was leaning towards susan rice and she wasn't going to start a debate and try to -- and i think, in fact, those close to secretary clinton really tried to snuff out those stories that secretary clinton wanted kerry over rice, didn't want to have rice replace her. i think she stayed out of that a lot. so i don't think that they were going to step into that at all. i mean, i know there's always been speculation that susan rice and secretary clinton weren't clo
you don't need to expend all this political capital on what is going to be an interminutable benghazi investigation. john mccain signaling he wants to go on the foreign relations committee, he was going to lead the way. >> let's get this from chuck as well. do you think that clinton, secretary clinton or former president clinton, they have done this i know in private, said what they thought about this, they were for kerry. did they ever express that for lobby for kerry or against rice in...
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senate hearing digging in to what happened before, during and after september 11th's deadly attack in benghazi, libya. john kerry leads the look into what went wrong. we'll have the latest in just minutes. good morning from a very busy washington. it's thursday, december 20th, 2012. this is "the daily rundown," the second shortest day of the year. let's get right to my first read. if talks on the fiscal cliff are going to be rescued, they have got to be rescued today. but the more you see the president and speaker boehner talking in public, the less they are talking behind the scenes. leaving negotiations stalled just 12 days before the new year. the speaker is now spending his third day working to pass a bill that will not become law. maybe it will start a framework for a backup plan but it's not going to be a law. and it won't probably be part of any final budget deal. the house will vote today on boehner's plan b which democratic leader harry reid had said will go nowhere in the senate. and the president has promised to veto it if it somehow got to him. in a 52-second, well it was a press c
senate hearing digging in to what happened before, during and after september 11th's deadly attack in benghazi, libya. john kerry leads the look into what went wrong. we'll have the latest in just minutes. good morning from a very busy washington. it's thursday, december 20th, 2012. this is "the daily rundown," the second shortest day of the year. let's get right to my first read. if talks on the fiscal cliff are going to be rescued, they have got to be rescued today. but the more you...
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but from benghazi to ben affleck. that just happened. >> well done. >> that transition just happened. benghazi to ben affleck, also one of barbara's most interesting or fascinating people. i object. i object because if you are one of the most overexposed celebrities on the planet, i don't think you can still be fascinating. he was fascinating maybe in 1999 when we didn't know literally everything about this man. but even though he has gone through some metamorphosis, he has gray hair, a father, he is old, gray hair, he is choosing good roles finally, i don't find him fascinating. >> i was bored by him more than a decade, he was like the quint essential guy famous for being famous, what he basically informs the 2000, the us aughts. i saw "a go," i saw it a few weeks ago, stuck with me. i'm fascinated how a guy could be that boring for so long and then suddenly become interested. >> but you're -- you're talk bag previous ben affleck a guy of "goodwill hunting" cannot be famous for being famous. >>> immigration could be
but from benghazi to ben affleck. that just happened. >> well done. >> that transition just happened. benghazi to ben affleck, also one of barbara's most interesting or fascinating people. i object. i object because if you are one of the most overexposed celebrities on the planet, i don't think you can still be fascinating. he was fascinating maybe in 1999 when we didn't know literally everything about this man. but even though he has gone through some metamorphosis, he has gray...
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consulate in benghazi that left four americans dead. four state department officials, including the security chief have left their jobs under pressure. those changes come less than 24 hours after an independent review blamed the department for what it described as grossly inadequate security lapses, both before and during the september 11th attack. while secretary of state hillary clinton has said she's ultimately responsible, the chairman of the investigating panel suggests the security lapses occurred further down in the chain of command. >> we fixed it at the assist and the secretary level, which is in our view, the appropriate place to look, where the decisionmaking in fact take place, where if you like the rubber hits the road. >> the secretary of state has been very clear about taking responsibility here. it was, from my perspective, not reasonable in terms of her having a specific level of knowledge. that was very specifically resident in her staff and over time. certainly didn't bring that to her attention. >> secretary clinton
consulate in benghazi that left four americans dead. four state department officials, including the security chief have left their jobs under pressure. those changes come less than 24 hours after an independent review blamed the department for what it described as grossly inadequate security lapses, both before and during the september 11th attack. while secretary of state hillary clinton has said she's ultimately responsible, the chairman of the investigating panel suggests the security lapses...
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richard, it's going to help and first of all, i think the benghazi report was a solid one. it was a huge tragedy losing four of the individuals including the ambassador, but if you look at that report, it says it's an important element, funding from the congress report, for security and our embassies overseas is needed. the state department has a very good, diplomatic security bureau and in fact, one of the four people that resigned, eric bosswell i knew. he's very talented and it's a tragedy what happened and what kerry will be able to do is say to the congress look, we need more funding to protect our consulates, our diplomats and embassies and people overseas and i'll bet you that because he's a man of the congress he will get very good funding for this department. >> we'll see how it does work and how it may help and if he tries to get funding for the department and his style is known to be more face-to-face. as we know, secretary clinton is the most traveled secretary of state. does this mean that he'll be traveling more and what will his perception be of the key regio
richard, it's going to help and first of all, i think the benghazi report was a solid one. it was a huge tragedy losing four of the individuals including the ambassador, but if you look at that report, it says it's an important element, funding from the congress report, for security and our embassies overseas is needed. the state department has a very good, diplomatic security bureau and in fact, one of the four people that resigned, eric bosswell i knew. he's very talented and it's a tragedy...
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mostly in new york city for benghazi is really a stretch. she was the werngs who went out on sunday television. and she said today to brian williams that she is not blameless. i think there was a lack of care with the talking points and the republicans seized on it and claims she was being political and trying to be political at a key point in the presidential election campaign, which she strongly denies. >> but you're saying that the president's statements to that effect were not enough because they were not backed up with essentially procedural support for her to be fighting these attacks that could have happened had he nominated her. >> once she's nominated she is armed with the white house counsel's office-w every wise person, man or woman in washington who would be assigned to her to get her through the nomination process. but she was left -- she said she didn't feel that she's a victim here, but she certainly did acknowledge to brian that she thinks politics played a part. and i don't think there's any way to deny that. now, the fact t
mostly in new york city for benghazi is really a stretch. she was the werngs who went out on sunday television. and she said today to brian williams that she is not blameless. i think there was a lack of care with the talking points and the republicans seized on it and claims she was being political and trying to be political at a key point in the presidential election campaign, which she strongly denies. >> but you're saying that the president's statements to that effect were not enough...
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what i do question is the delays of the stone walling on benghazi so long. now we have to get the story. we will have hearings this week. there will be more hearings hopefully secretary clinton will make sure she testifys to congress and the american people of the details of failure of state department security and the adequacy of policy on tearrism. >> in little rock tonight what do you think? >> i hope secretary clinton has a good note from her doctor. bad enough for the owe bam paw campaign to put ambassador rice on there speaking on morning shows giving them deny ability as she had nothing to do with benghazi but now we have the them asking john kerry to answer questions clinton should be doing. they misled the american people and misled the press. the truth is we have four dead americans and their families deserve to know how in the world the american government could have let this happen. >> you think in the nfl when they doo a time-out and the other people lines up in a formation that is strange and they are afraid that they are not prepared for it. s
what i do question is the delays of the stone walling on benghazi so long. now we have to get the story. we will have hearings this week. there will be more hearings hopefully secretary clinton will make sure she testifys to congress and the american people of the details of failure of state department security and the adequacy of policy on tearrism. >> in little rock tonight what do you think? >> i hope secretary clinton has a good note from her doctor. bad enough for the owe bam...
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you have the fiscal cliff, you have the new cabinet, the benghazi report, immigration. and then you what do you think the likelihood is because i can tell you having sat in newtown for five days, there was this immediate sense from virtually everyone i spoke with that something could finally happen this time, but can it? >> well, chris, i saw all your reports from friday on. and the pain that the people were feeling. but i can't be as optimistic as i would like to be right now because i've been through this too many times starting with covering the outrage after columbine where people talked about curbing some gun -- putting some gun restrictions, there is also talk about hollywood and values, back in '99, the video games were quite the issue it was. there are all kinds of talk and we never had anything. this time, well, maybe things are a little different if for no other reason than the power of social media, letting people organize better on this issue, can cross the aisle on it. and i think for a lot of people, this may be an issue we're compromising on. what the whi
you have the fiscal cliff, you have the new cabinet, the benghazi report, immigration. and then you what do you think the likelihood is because i can tell you having sat in newtown for five days, there was this immediate sense from virtually everyone i spoke with that something could finally happen this time, but can it? >> well, chris, i saw all your reports from friday on. and the pain that the people were feeling. but i can't be as optimistic as i would like to be right now because...
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>> which of course always should have been the focus of the benghazi story, rice's decision presents the president with a cabinet that looks like an america problem. the cabinet in the -- looking like a leading candidate for the secretary of defense. if kerry is a shoe in, does that change the calculus four hagel? or for white house chief of staff, kevin liu. former advisors under secretary clinton re-emerge as top candidates for treasury. if kerry ends up being a nominee for secretary of state, there would be a challenge for his senate seat. here's senator scott brown, in his farewell speech on the senate floor which oh, by the way happened to be yesterday. >> defeat is temporary, depending on what happens and where we go, all of us, we may obviously meet again. >> there you go. after rice's announcement yesterday, the massachusetts democratic party tweeted this. bring it on. in case you're wondering, the way the math works, assuming john kerry's resigned the senate seat after he's confirmed and that happens around january 20th, 21st. we're looking at a mid to late june special elec
>> which of course always should have been the focus of the benghazi story, rice's decision presents the president with a cabinet that looks like an america problem. the cabinet in the -- looking like a leading candidate for the secretary of defense. if kerry is a shoe in, does that change the calculus four hagel? or for white house chief of staff, kevin liu. former advisors under secretary clinton re-emerge as top candidates for treasury. if kerry ends up being a nominee for secretary of...
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ambassador to the united nations answering questions about the attack on benghazi. >> it wasn'ta unusual, i have done sunday shows many times in the past. secretary clinton had originally been asked by most of the networks to go on. she had had an incredibly grueling week dealing with the protests around the middle east and north africa that it envol lopped our embassy. she consoled the whole state department and greet the families and the boths. she declined to do it. and i was asked by the who is if i would do it, as the next senior american diplomat. >> would it have been a whole different thing if hillary clinton had done those shows that day or would there still have been a fight over susan rice? >> we can't know, it's impossible to know if something else would have come up and she would have found herself answering for this controversy in other ways. i do think that we saw when susan rice went to capitol hill and attempted to make peace, not only with the senators who seemed set against her like john mccain, but senator who is seemed more open to considering her like susan collins,
ambassador to the united nations answering questions about the attack on benghazi. >> it wasn'ta unusual, i have done sunday shows many times in the past. secretary clinton had originally been asked by most of the networks to go on. she had had an incredibly grueling week dealing with the protests around the middle east and north africa that it envol lopped our embassy. she consoled the whole state department and greet the families and the boths. she declined to do it. and i was asked by...
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was announcing his nomination of kerry, republicans were on the hill attacking susan rice over ben benghazi this afternoon. >> the word she told on 16, september was completely out of line with reality on the ground. i just thought she was very eager to tell a story that did not make a lot of sense. i believe to suggest this thing was anything other than a terrorist attack fit a political narrative. >> i think senator kerry will be confirmed. i don't think there will be a huge dust up about this. there may be no dust up at all. people in the senate know him. republicans have said how much they respect him. but i want to say a word about susan rice. i know her and i've worked with her. she's a person on enormous talent and enormous integrity. you listen to the stuff we just heard. you're tempted to buy a line from history. senator, have you no sense of decency left? to suggest that this person who has given a lot to this country, somehow or other, was intentionally misleading americans is wrong. and i have some news for them if they don't like her. guess what, she's going to be around for th
was announcing his nomination of kerry, republicans were on the hill attacking susan rice over ben benghazi this afternoon. >> the word she told on 16, september was completely out of line with reality on the ground. i just thought she was very eager to tell a story that did not make a lot of sense. i believe to suggest this thing was anything other than a terrorist attack fit a political narrative. >> i think senator kerry will be confirmed. i don't think there will be a huge dust...
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why'd he go after benghazi for two weeks? why'd he change from business experience? >> i have no idea. and, you know, really you almost saw what happened. it's like all of a sudden they woke up and said my god we can win this thing and didn't keep on the same path. everybody started kind of taking credit for that one good night instead of trying to recreate it night after night. >> let's cut ahead now. i love what you said about david axelrod and saying the guy wouldn't sell his religion. he couldn't sell the good work he did with relief society and looking out for members of his lds group. he couldn't do that without selling the philosophy of the religion? >> there were family and friends that wanted the campaign to emphasize things romney had done. that was who he really was, talk about that. and a at the convention there was an effort to have a moving video. the problem is this ran before the networks broadcast in primetime, the commercial networks. and then in primetime of course was clint eastwood. so the message that got out was not -- >> that was a hail mary,
why'd he go after benghazi for two weeks? why'd he change from business experience? >> i have no idea. and, you know, really you almost saw what happened. it's like all of a sudden they woke up and said my god we can win this thing and didn't keep on the same path. everybody started kind of taking credit for that one good night instead of trying to recreate it night after night. >> let's cut ahead now. i love what you said about david axelrod and saying the guy wouldn't sell his...
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september 11th in benghazi, libya. u.s. ambassador chris stevens and three other americans killed in a terror attack on the u.s. diplomatic mission there. american officials first suggested it was spontaneous, sparked by a protest over a controversial anti-muslim film. the white house's handling of the attack became a political hot button. number eight. a political transition in north korea, but no freedom here in the hermit kingdom. kim jong untook over for his father. at year's end, it flexed its military and technological muscle with its first rocket launch successfully placing a satellite in orbit. number seven. brutality by police and private security was out in the open in south africa where the killing of minors was captured on camera and broadcast everywhere. miners were protesting, demanding higher wages. the price they had to pay shocked the world. number six. ten more years. the communist party of china selected new leaders. the secretive process produced a new president and l.a. lakers fan married to a rock star
september 11th in benghazi, libya. u.s. ambassador chris stevens and three other americans killed in a terror attack on the u.s. diplomatic mission there. american officials first suggested it was spontaneous, sparked by a protest over a controversial anti-muslim film. the white house's handling of the attack became a political hot button. number eight. a political transition in north korea, but no freedom here in the hermit kingdom. kim jong untook over for his father. at year's end, it flexed...
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and western interests in benghazi. why were no units postured, alert, and ready to respond to what should have been a foreseeable contingency, one in which two of the four people who lost their lives were killed in the seventh hour of the attack? this raises questions that the pentagon and the defense department must consider. what greater world the we need the military to play a defense of personnel overseas, especially in the broader middle east that has been never more unsettled? what is the right military posture for forces in the region? what do we need them to do? conversations about the military and defense right now, are mostly about budgets and numbers. it is important to talk more about objectives, strategy, and policies since the attack in benghazi could represent a kind of new normal in our dangerous world. the defense department needs to answer these questions. i might add in the authorization bill we added authorization for 1000 additional marines to be used to protect our installations, diplomatic instal
and western interests in benghazi. why were no units postured, alert, and ready to respond to what should have been a foreseeable contingency, one in which two of the four people who lost their lives were killed in the seventh hour of the attack? this raises questions that the pentagon and the defense department must consider. what greater world the we need the military to play a defense of personnel overseas, especially in the broader middle east that has been never more unsettled? what is the...
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. >> the susan rice/benghazi witch-hunt, what is your reaction to that? >> well, keep in mind john kerry is barack obama's first choice. susan rice wasn't a choice. she got tied up into the politics of benghazi. but this is who the president likes, believes in. kerry gave obama that great nominating speech slot in 2004. but kerry has been able to be bipartisan in the true sense. he has been able to cut deals and work with senators -- senator murkowski is a friend of his from alaska, for example. this is going to be one of the best appointments, selections that the president could have made. and most people on capitol hill feel the same. >> quickly, will he go through confirmation easily? >> he will go through. i think vicki kennedy will come in and be the senator for that interim period. it's 145 to 160 days until governor deval patrick is going to set that up. i think he is probably going to run for senate. >> interesting. great to have you with us, professor. thank you so much. >>> coming up, the owner of some big-name chain restaurants sees profits plu
. >> the susan rice/benghazi witch-hunt, what is your reaction to that? >> well, keep in mind john kerry is barack obama's first choice. susan rice wasn't a choice. she got tied up into the politics of benghazi. but this is who the president likes, believes in. kerry gave obama that great nominating speech slot in 2004. but kerry has been able to be bipartisan in the true sense. he has been able to cut deals and work with senators -- senator murkowski is a friend of his from alaska,...
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the benghazi report. independent panel said the state department failed to connect the dots in security in benghazi. the state department concedes that mistakes are made . the lawmakers want to hear from the secretary of state. we'll talk to thitate department and congress. i am uma with news headquarters live from the nation's capitol starts right now. >> are we all going over the fisical cliff? there is still no deal. steve joins us from washington with the latest on thes. >> hi, uma, the fiscal cliff may be looming. but both sides are pulting the dial on hold. no deal for the tooks . at times it appeared congress was made but not the case this weekend. house speaker john boehner said he is hopeful, but none theless of as the presidentov dubbinging the fiscal issue in the stapped off. boehner delivered the gop. >> the president has offedy will not do anything to solvelet speppeding problem and begins to the crippling debt. he wants more spending and tax hikes and that will hurt our economy . he refuses
the benghazi report. independent panel said the state department failed to connect the dots in security in benghazi. the state department concedes that mistakes are made . the lawmakers want to hear from the secretary of state. we'll talk to thitate department and congress. i am uma with news headquarters live from the nation's capitol starts right now. >> are we all going over the fisical cliff? there is still no deal. steve joins us from washington with the latest on thes. >> hi,...